Unconventional Organisation with Skye Rapson
William Curb: All right, and yeah, can you tell me a little bit about Unconventional Organization and what goes on.
Skye Rapson: Yeah, no worries. So we started in 2020 and we provide ADHD support for adults with adhd. Specifically we provide online coaching services and we also have lot of really strong research focus. So we have a lot of research articles on the website that have practical skills that you can use, and we include that as part of our training for the coaching as.
William Curb: Awesome. Yeah, I just love the name because it resonates so well with me that neurotypical ways of organizing typically don't work for me.
Skye Rapson: No, no, and that's so much what we get people coming and saying, okay, I've tried everything. I'll give you guys a go, but I just want you to know that we're like, you haven't tried the unconventional way yet, so let's do that.
William Curb: What are some of the unconventional approaches that you found really helpful for people?
Skye Rapson: So a lot of it is, is kind of setting up systems that are flexible, that consider time blindness, working memory and dopamine. And transition times. So those kind of things. So everything we do is, is set up in that way and then also testing it.
So we do experiment, what we call experimentation phase, rather than saying, okay, here's your routine. Go on and do it. If it doesn't work, well, I'm sorry, I guess it doesn't work. It's always like, okay, it worked 50%. That's great. What are all the obstacles? What are all the points of resistance? How do we adjust those for you?
Because often it's. It's having that bad day when it didn't work. That will help us to understand what actually you need in say, a morning routine, for example.
William Curb: Yeah. I mean, I think that's such a key too, because so much of ADHD plays into perfectionism. Yes. Where we're like, oh, I'm gonna come up with routine and it's gonna be the perfect routine, but I'm not gonna implement it until it's perfect.
Yes. And that's there's no perfect routine and it's just setting us ourselves up for failure that way. And so starting off with the theory of like, Hey, this is gonna be an iterative process, think is great. .
Skye Rapson: Yeah, no, definitely. And you know, one of the things we say is bring your worst self to coaching because you know, it's okay if one day you came and you were super motivated and you are like, I'm gonna do all these things, and you come back next week and you're like, okay.
Some, I got sick and this happened and that happened and I didn't do these things because somewhere in the middle of those two things is the system that will work for you most of the
time.
William Curb: Yeah, I love that too, because. too much is just being like, Hey, this is what works when I'm on and feeling great, and then that doesn't work when I'm not.
Skye Rapson: Yeah, a hundred percent. Yeah. We talk about squishy and stretchy routines, so having a routine and then thinking about it is something that you can squish down. Into its most important parts if you need to be able to, you know, just run out the door in 30 minutes or you wanna transition between meetings of just five minutes of time and then stretch your routines if you're on holiday. If it's the weekend, you don't wanna kind of have nothing as part of, you just want, but you want to be able to relax, you know, have a coffee in the sun, all of that kind of thing. So we incorporate that into any routines we build with you.
William Curb: Sounds great too. Yeah, cuz we do have this variable day schedule where it's like, yeah, on weekends I don't want as much structure. If I do zero planning or try to follow no routines, that's not a very relaxing weekend either.
Skye Rapson: Yeah. Yeah. We, we sometimes need structure. I've had a lot of clients who are like, I'm going away, but I still wanna talk to you every couple of weeks, , because I don't wanna just lose all structure and, and I want, I do have things I wanna do.
William Curb: Yeah. I always find my weekends that where I have. Done. Zero plating. I was just like, they're miserable. Cause I'm like, my kids want to do things, but we don't have anything planned. And then trying to come up with ad hoc plans never works quite as well as we want.
Skye Rapson: Yeah. It's tough. And, you know, there is, there is a place in time we talk about having those, chasing the butterfly days.
When you just, especially if you're struggling with burnout, which is so common with adhd, with working and, and feeling burned out, or you know, feeling like you might be on that track, having a day where you just chase the butterfly, you just. Do whatever you want without any, anything. But it is also good to know that you have that sort of, that sort of framework to come back to of the system that you've developed and tested and you, and it's yours.
Because a lot of the time with these systems that we develop, the conventional systems are given to us by other people who don't know how our brains work, and we are kind of trying to fit ourselves into that system and failing and feeling bad about. Versus having something that feels like we made it, we own it.
It works for us not to kind of shame us essentially.
William Curb: Totally see that and systems is something I've been thinking about a lot recently and how important they are for us so that we don't fall into the trap of being like, I just need to do this one time. And really, you know, like, I don't need to wash my dishes one time or like, it's, I need to build a system so that I'm doing that regularly so that I'm not getting to that place where I think, oh my God, there's so many dishes I need to do. Yeah, it's, it's an all day task now, which it never is, but feels like it could be.
Skye Rapson: Yeah, a hundred percent. And you know, there is something to be said for, for that kind of, yeah.
And you never wanna reinvent the wheel, so you're always looking for kind of, what can I do that I've done before that worked. But it's funny, you should mention the dishes because that can definitely feel. You know, overwhelming and it's, it's always an interesting one with people. Sometimes people wanna do things in like 10 minutes.
Sometimes people want to let something build up to a certain point and then do it within like a longer period of time. With adhd, we do struggle with those transition times, so sometimes, A two minute job isn't a two minute job. And so it's good to build it up to a bigger job. This can happen with like projects for work, for example, whether you, you do it in like 10 minute increments or 30 minute increments or whether you kind of take a morning and do it all together so that you don't have to transition between different things.
William Curb: Yeah. I like doing that with batching my email because if I just try to answer one email, I'm like gonna get distracted while doing it or something. But if. Create like, okay, I'm gonna spend 30 minutes answering all these emails. Then I actually get through all my email rather than just being like, oh, it's gonna build up
Skye Rapson: Yeah, no, a hundred percent. I like doing it with writing the articles cuz I sort of get into a zone where my working memory feels like it's easier to access and I don't wanna lose that between sessions.
William Curb: Yeah. You were telling me that you do have a lot of focus on the workplace. How to create routines and like supporting those routines. Maybe you could speak on that a little bit more.
Skye Rapson: So basically one of the things that we do is we really help people with setting up their systems when they're. At work or when they might be a teacher or they might be a student who also works. For example, having those kind of systems where you have these expectations, especially now, they look so different from what we used to do.
Used to go into the office most of the time and you'd be there sort of body doubling with people to get things done. And now that's, that's a lot of. Changed or, or lost. And for some people that can be good in some ways, but bad in other ways. They have more time to focus on what they want. They don't have to go to the office and do all of that part.
But at the same time, they are also in a position where they're at home doing these things and trying to create that environment of body doubling without the support. So, There is almost like an entire, everybody had to change their routines. And so for us that's a, that's an extra, extra level of struggle especially if people are moving jobs now as well and, and having to do it all over again.
William Curb: I found when I was talking to people that a lot of people had in the beginning of the pandemic, they didn't have problems because they were, running off this extra energy from being, many of us are very good in a crisis, it's the extra dopamine and there's more going on, and so it feels like, okay, I have to really, it helps our brain focus up, but then, Things wore on, then people were like, oh, I don't, I don't have that extra boost anymore and I don't know how to keep up anymore.
Skye Rapson: Yeah, yeah. And there was also a sense of like, you know, a lot of clients said to me, I sort of stopped. Expecting things to happen. There was a lot of like, okay, we're going back to work. Oh no, we're not going back to work now. We're doing the hybrid model now. They want us back in now they want us back out.
There's just this constant feeling of flux around, you know, every time there was a sense of. Of security of this is what's happening, it would change again. And that's actually one of the reasons why we focus so much on flexible routines is because change is such a big part of ADHD struggle because you can have a system and then your life changes in some way.
And then if you have an inflexible system, it just all has to be thrown out the window and you have to start again. And so you can spend your life building and throwing away systems.
William Curb: Yeah, and I also have. One of the things that I'll do is I will minimize the change in my mind and be like, I did this before. I should just use the same system again. , but I have radically different circumstances. I'll be like, oh yeah, I did this like 10 years ago. I should be able to do the same thing. And I'm like, yeah, but. Now I have kids and I, you know, completely different lifestyle. I can't just do those same things again.
And so it's, yeah. Important to acknowledge that systems need to change and that , they're not gonna be the same as they were when you first started them out.
Skye Rapson: I mean, I experienced that this year, as I said to you, having a baby and then suddenly having to change my systems around. This very big shift that is very hard to understand. You know, wasn't really something I had, I had an idea of it, but then yeah, actually realizing just how little time you have was, was a big factor. And I think as well, you know, for a lot of people it's, it's just a huge, it's just huge, the different sort of things that people are handling and it's not as, it's similar as it used to be. People used to have, you know, quite a similar way of working. If they were in a certain industry, they worked in a certain way, but now you can, you can work. From a coffee shop, from home, from a van, you know, there's just so many different ways to do things that people are, yeah, there's, there's so many different kinds of routines that we need to build and kinds of systems that it can be hard to find the common threads of what those are. And that's why for us, we always come back to, you know, does it include time, blindness, transition, time, working memory, dopamine, and is it flexible? Because those things are those touchstones for adhd regardless of what your actual routine and your actual life looks like.
William Curb: Yeah. Just think, thinking this through, could you give me an example of how you would take inflexible system and try building flexibility into it.
Skye Rapson: Yeah, that's a really good question. An inflexible system. A good example of an inflexible system is your planning system. So I always talk about, you know, a planning system that's very inflexible as an example, is people who have those tiny little diaries, those paper diaries, and they have just enough space for the day.
And you can still buy them in lots of different places and you can put: doctor's appointment podcast pick up kids, and it's sort of all you can really fit into that space. And then what happens during your day is you have no idea where those transition times are. You don't know. You can't see the time that it takes to get ready, the time that it takes to do anything.
And you can't, you know, if your doctor's appointment gets switched to another day, you have to physically cross out. That event and you have to move it to another day. And so your little paper diary suddenly becomes just full of things and eventually you stop using it altogether because you can't even really see what's happening.
And that's an example of something that really is really inflexible.
William Curb: So then how would we build a little bit more flexibility into that planning?
Skye Rapson: So what we would do essentially is we would consider, okay, first of all, how do you wanna work? And this is really important and work with adhd. Some people are like, I don't care. I don't wanna use the computer. And that's fair enough. I love writing things down as well. I have a digital physical journal for that reason. And so they might say, okay, well I still wanna use the paper system. Then it's going through. Okay, well, can we maybe get something that's physically a bit bigger, something that includes the times that you have for the day?
We often recommend the planner pad system, where at the top you have all the categories of events that are happening. And then at the bottom you have sort of a visual of your day. So at nine, I'm gonna do this, 10 I'm gonna do this. And then in the middle you have, These are all the things I wanna do, all the tasks, this is the time I have to do it.
Then in the middle I'm gonna put, okay, this is what I wanna do that specific day, and you set that up the day before so you can make changes. And that kind of just allows you a bit more freedom to. To move with what you're doing.
William Curb: Yeah. And I'm sure everyone's experienced that. Everyone has stuff coming up every day like you, like I had to changes in my schedule today several times already, where I had just . . Yeah. That inflexible like, well, when am I gonna do this? Now would wouldn't have worked.
Skye Rapson: Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And we liken flexibility with adhd, often whether we, we like it and we say, yeah, sure, I'll take on this extra project.
I can fit this in, I can do this. And so we wanna be able to work around that ability. We wanna be able to say, yep that's totally fine. Let's add it here. Let's move things across the Google Calendar is a good system as well for that, cuz you can just drag. The task to the very next day or the event to the very next day.
I actually do that one all the time, and and you can include like, okay, recurring routines, I have to get up, I have to get ready, and so I'm blocking that time out. So if someone says, are you available at seven on Wednesday? I'm like, not really, because I can see I have an event called get up and get ready.
William Curb: Yeah. I love the idea of having transitions and the regular stuff in your schedule already. Like I like will look at my calendar and I like, oh, I'm free today. And then I'm like, but I also have to pick up my kids and I have to do, you know, all these regular things that my brain's already like filtering in there, but if I look at the blank day and my brain's like, oh no, that's free.
Skye Rapson: And if you do that as well, there's a sort of duality that people experience where they're like, I don't have as much time as I thought, but now I understand why I'm not getting as much done as I thought in my day.
Because if my calendar looks free, if my planning system looks free, then I'm I'm gonna be feeling like, okay, well why didn't I write that big piece of something? Why didn't I get all those podcasts done? Or that piece of work finished when actually you didn't have that time, you just didn't put your routines into your system.
William Curb: Yeah. When I first started really doing time management stuff and like. Okay, what tasks do I wanna do today? How long are they gonna take ? When can I fit that in my schedule? I'm like, yeah, where did my time go? I thought I could do 15 things today. Yeah.
Skye Rapson: Yeah. So sometimes it can be a little bit, you know, like it's, it's okay, even though you don't have a lot of time.
Some people say to me, ah, like, I don't want, I don't wanna do a planner system, cuz then I'll know how much time I don't have. But in reality it gives you the dopamine to do those things because, you know now, Especially if you combine that with say, thinking about, okay, what are the things I need to do in the next two weeks or something bad will happen, which is the thing we often talk about.
If you combine that, you sub-task those activities, you figure out how long they're gonna take, you double that estimated time, and then you put it into your calendar. Now you're feeling like, I have to do this today because I have no other time this week and I know it needs to be done in the next two weeks.
William Curb: Yeah. It's very hard to prioritize when you don't have that sense of urgency and sense of these, this is the only time I have to do this.
Skye Rapson: Exactly. Yeah, and it's one of the things we talk about as well is a lot of people would think, oh, well that's a lot of planning , that's a, and it is. I'm not gonna like, that is a lot of planning, more so than neurotypicals. I think that is something. We do have to do often, but it can be nice to consider it almost as a form of self care and incorporate it into self care. So one of the things we talk about is like taking yourself up out to lunch on a Friday if you, if you are gonna do this and, and doing your planning then, or, having a glass or something on a Sunday afternoon and doing your planning, then on the couch in the sun, rather than sort of feeling like you have to sit at your desk.
In like a work environment and do it in that way, you can do it in a more relaxing way.
William Curb: Definitely a lot there because you're doing the planning to plan, which is hard to accept at first because I'll get to it. No, if you don't, if it's not on your schedule, you won't get to it. Cause we have experience there. history tells me we'll not do this. And then also I love the idea of doing into Selfcare, but also being like, Hey, I'm gonna have, this is self care. I can also schedule other self care for myself. Yeah.
Skye Rapson: Yeah. And that's when you start to really enjoy your planner. Cause you're like, you know what? I'm gonna do this on Wednesday, and you're gonna sort of set aside a bit more for example, the dopamenu that I know Eric Tivers developed that. And we use the dopamenu a lot. We really love it. And talking about, okay. When are you going to get that dopamine and having that be such an important part of your routine, especially if you are working a job that has lots of meetings and lots of, boring administrative work, and you get to the end of the day, it's like, okay, where are your 10 minutes to like, go outside, get something to drink, you talk to a colleague, and if you're at home, then where's your, 10 minutes to pet your cat or whatever it is that's gonna help you get dopamine throughout the day, which is as important.
Working because if you don't do one, it can be hard to do the other.
William Curb: Yeah. It's just critical to like being like, Don't only try and do work things. . It's definitely where I started with planning, where I was like, I remember first seeing the Eisenhower Matrix of, the important, urgent and all those, and I'm like, my initial reaction was, To stick everything that was fun or enjoyable in the not important and not urgent , and then cut it from my schedule.
And yeah, not, not, not a great strategy there.
Skye Rapson: Yeah. I can imagine you got to like the evening and your brain was sort of like, mm-hmm. When I'll go to bed, we're gonna stay up and get some of that fun.
William Curb: Yeah. A little bit of that bedtime procrastination. Yeah. Or even just like in the middle of the day being like, Hate this, not gonna do this anymore. Be like, why didn't my schedule work? Probably cuz I made a terrible schedule.
Skye Rapson: Totally, definitely. And that's one of the things often we talk about, if we've developed a system with someone, we'll say, what are the obstacles to that? And people will say, me, I just don't wanna do it.
I'll be like, great, I'm so glad you told me that. Like, let's add more dopamine, let's add more transitions and things like that. Because yeah, it's important to be honest with yourself about whether you actually want to do what you're doing.
William Curb: I think this is one of the great reasons to work with a coach for these things is cuz it's hard to see that for yourself. As you're just like, instead of being like, I'm making a bad schedule, I would be like, I'm just a bad person. Yeah. Yeah. That's rarely the answer. Yeah. Having that third party to be like, Hey, maybe you should try some other strategies.
Skye Rapson: Yeah, no, definitely. And also I think like for us, we have ADHD as well, and that kind of helps because it's like we get it, like we have had these experiences as well.
And yeah, you're not a bad person. Although it can feel like that if you've constantly come up against systems that are not made for. You know, it's sort of like if you ha needed glasses and you were given glasses, but they kind of worked and everyone else was like, why can't you see what's 2020 vision?
We got glasses, we have 2020 vision now. Why do you not have 2020 vision? And just feeling like, oh, I guess, I don't know, like maybe my eyes were just this and that. When in reality it's like, oh, well these glasses just weren't your glasses. You needed to adjust.
William Curb: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and this reminds me of a conversation I had with my wife last night about the executive dysfunction where sometimes for like the lunch was what we were talking about, I need something a little bit easier to prepare for lunch.
And the neurotypical reaction might be instead of having like one of those sipper soups, you could just get a big can of soup and, you know, prepare, you know, have a bunch of servings throughout the weekend. Yes, but with my executive dysfunction, I just won't eat lunch. That seems like, well, why would you just not eat lunch? You need to eat lunch. I like, yeah. Yes, but I just won't because that's how my brain works, and so I need to do the thing that will actually work with my brain.
Skye Rapson: A hundred percent, and actually that's a good part of what we talk about a lot with the squishy routines is like, okay, you can't have lunch today. So instead, what are you gonna do? Are you gonna grab like a snack that you have? Like, do you wanna buy some of those to make sure you have them on hand? Do you wanna put them in your office so that you can grab them if you need to, but maybe not where you're gonna grab them all the time. And then, so there's a kind of a, the sort of nitty gritty conversations that we do have with people.
William Curb: Yeah. It was hilarious when I realized I needed to schedule a lunch. Cause I was like, nah, I'll just remember again. History has shown not true.
Skye Rapson: I've recently had to put that in as a blocked out time. . Cause I, I did schedule it, but it kept being like just absorbed in everything else.
William Curb: So, yeah. So we've been kind of talking a little bit about coaching here and the unconventional organization is all online. So how do people respond to having, like online coaching? Cause I know there's some people that really wanna do stuff in person, but. It's hard.
Skye Rapson: Yeah, I mean, I think we do have a few people who have asked, can you do it in person?
But most people like it online because then you really only have to turn on your camera. That's kind of the only requirement in terms of a transition. Turn on your camera, have a conversation with us. And so sometimes people will. Be in a really, feeling like they're just having a really hard executive functioning week.
And we'll just turn up and be like, I dunno what I'm even talking about today. . Like, but the level of, of transition is you just have to do that and we can remind you and send you zoom links and all that kinds of thing. Versus having to come to an office or see you in person.
We've also been able go with people on their journeys, people will move to different cities or different countries. And we can adjust and we can be able to be there with you, which can be quite nice because that's a huge transition. So leaving, having to, stop coaching as well can be even more difficult.
William Curb: Yeah. And as we were talking about earlier, gives flexibility. It's key. Like why we want the structure, but this is structure with flexability.
Skye Rapson: Yeah. And also one of the things we do is we have coaches from around the world. So we can meet you at 9:00 PM or 6:00 AM if you want to, because in other people's time zones, that's actually their middle of the day. So we can incorporate that into the online method as well of coaching.
William Curb: Yeah , it seems like a great method. Cause I know I, there's so many things that can go wrong trying to go meet someone. Getting outta the house is never as easy as I hope it was gonna be.
Skye Rapson: I mean the, sometimes the first thing we're working with people is like creating a system for helping people get out of the house and get to work on time. So to have to then make us a thing that they're doing that for is just an additional level of work.
William Curb: I love the idea behind it, cause I'm like, that would work way better for me. Yeah.
Skye Rapson: Yeah. And we can help you do things. Some people, especially, with Covid, some people also didn't wanna go outside. So sometimes the things we do is we help establish routines to actually leave the house and feel confident doing that. So, you know, we can just be there wherever it is you're most comfortable being.
William Curb: Yeah. So one thing I know that would always come up in my mind when I think about coaching kind of things is. What does a coach actually help with? Like, I know we've talked about planning a little bit already, but what are the kind of things that people come to you for? Cause some people are like, Hey, maybe I'd like to do coaching. I don't have a specific problem that I can think of.
Skye Rapson: Yeah, no, that's a really great question and I love answering this question because so many times, you know, like therapy people are like, but what is it that's this like mystery box You just turn up and find out.
So what we do actually is we'll go through with you during the initial consult an executive functioning survey. So it's not a diagnostic or anything, but it just helps us and you to understand the areas where you've developed skills already because you're an adult with adhd, you've developed your processes and then the areas where you have some gaps in say, like we said, making decisions, getting up in the morning taking medication consistently, as well as the routines and time to management and workplace organization.
And then from there you develop with the coach five or six long term goals that you wanna work through in coaching, and you might include something else as well that you specifically wanna work on. And from there, what we do is we go through with you and we help you first understand some of the research behind your struggles, cause it's a big focus of what we do specifically. So helping you understand, okay, you are struggling with this because time blindness is an issue for you in this area. This is how it's working. Because sometimes it can feel like things are just coming at you and you don't even know why.
So that's kind of the first thing that we do. And then from there we talk about, okay, this is what tends to work for people with ADHD in this area. What will work for you specifically and your coach will work with you to kind of get a very nitty gritty understanding of. Okay, this is, I'm trying to do a morning routine, but I have kids, I have, we have to get work extra early and these are all my issues.
So how can we adapt the need for movement and dopamine and the fact that I wanna stay in bed for the first 30 minutes into our system, that might work. And then we move into a phase of testing. And setting things up, making sure they're flexible, making sure you come back the next week and you say, this worked really well. This didn't work at all. We can adjust things until everything fits you perfectly. And that's the process that we go through.
William Curb: Awesome. Love the testing idea. And the other thing I'm thinking about is just do you have anything for helping create like maintenance for tho those systems? Cause what works the first two months, maybe doesn't work the third month.
Skye Rapson: Yeah. So we do, we do weekly coaching and then we do fortnight coaching. And so what we do often is people will come and they'll start on weekly and they'll build these systems and then they'll switch to fortnightly and set them up and keep going. And then once they feel confident the system is being maintained, they might leave, but then they can always, just mention that they wanna work with us again and come back and the coach will have the notes. They'll have the notes, and we can just adjust.
And like you said, doing that maintenance, we have people often come back because they've changed jobs, for example, and now they just wanna check that their systems can work in this new job.
William Curb: And I also find an idea I was playing with recently is just how to. Adjust my planning and systems for like seasonality. Cause summer's coming up my kids are gonna be outta school and that's gonna be a very different system for me than when they've been in school.
Skye Rapson: Yeah. No that's a good point. And sometimes people, will be looking ahead as well when they're developing some of those goals to say, okay, not yet, but in a couple of months I wanna start talking about developing the system and how to adjust it because yeah the school holidays make a big difference.
William Curb: And I'm like, these are things I just have to look at now cuz I, when I don't think about them, then they hit me and I'm like, how did I not see this thing coming that was on my schedule for months. .
Skye Rapson: Yeah, that's the scariest part. I'm sure we all had that experience as an ADHD person where there was an event that happened and it went past and you didn't find out about it until later. That can be very unsettling and definitely something that we try and help with.
Yeah. Too many, too many times where I'm like, oh, that was last week. Mm. Yeah.
Yeah. And it's, it's all about kind of just going, yep, that happened. That's totally okay. How can we help it help you with that in the future? You know? We're very, understanding, like everybody who works with us has been through this experience. That's why they're so passionate about alerting these systems and helping other people.
William Curb: And did you say that all the coaches also have adhd or just have experience with
Skye Rapson: No, they all also have adhd.
William Curb: I think. That's very comforting for people because it's hard to explain executive dysfunction to people that don't have it.
Skye Rapson: Yeah. And also it's your time. You know, we don't wanna be explaining it. We wanna be moving into how we can help you and strategies. And you know, often when you talk fast and they talk fast and everyone's just. Going developing systems. Sometimes I, we've had clients say like, I'm sorry, this is, I know this is a lot and I'm just throwing it at you. And it's like, no, this is fine. This is great. Like, just tell me everything and we'll start to organize it. That's what we like to do.
William Curb: Yeah. I think that's a great way to do it because you, when you start going, then you're like, okay, and then this and this, and then you can really hit what the actual issues are rather than what you think the issue is cause Yeah, exactly.
I'm thinking about things, I'm like, this is the issue. And then I talk to someone about it and they're like, why would you think that's the issue? It's this other thing over here.
Skye Rapson: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we can do that. We can get straight into it, which is great.
William Curb: Awesome. Well, I don't really have any more questions here, but are you have anything that you'd like to leave the audience with and maybe some places they can find more about Unconventional Organization?
Skye Rapson: Yeah, no, you can go to our website, unconventionalorganization.com and you can spell it with a Z or an S depending on where you are, and you'll still get to the same place. You can also find us on social media @UnconventionalOrganization, and we have a lot of strategy articles. So you can, you can check out the coaches.
There's 20 minute consultations if you wanna try that. But you can also just check out the articles. We've got the different steps for different issues like waiting mode, workplace accommodations, everything's there. And it's all researched and just, yeah hopefully very helpful. Because we wanted to make something that you could just really get started with straight.
William Curb: Awesome. Well, yeah, I'll be sure to include all those links in the show notes for anybody listening and yeah, be sure to check out the articles there. Really good. And I'm sure anybody that's looking for a few more tips would get a lot out of those. Awesome. Thank you again for coming on the show. I really enjoyed their conversation.
Skye Rapson: Yeah, no problem. I love talking about strategies, so happy to come.
